Friday, August 10, 2007

Christianity somewhat debased

In the influence of the Western notion of the Trinity and the idea that Jesus has two natures, human and divine. This is theological, I'm not a Christian but see truths in all religions. First off, the notion of Jesus as being both divine and human undercuts the previous notion of Jesus as being the creator of the world, which was present in Christianity before the Council of Calcedon arrived at the two natures in one rule. Then, the part of the Church that stuck with the idea of the Council progressively moved the scheme of God, Son, and Holy Spirit,or Father,Son, and Holy Spirit, organized into some sort of functional grouping and towards an idea of them as being co-substantial, having the same essence, which as a whole makes up God.

This is really problematical, first and most glaringly in the case of the Holy Spirit but also in the case of Jesus. The doctrine of the Trinity says that God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are equal parts of a whole, that proceeds from God the father. However, Jesus was sent to earth on a specific mission by God, or in the earlier rendering he was also commanded by God to create the world, meaning that Jesus was subservient to God. The Holy Spirit was/is thought to be the power of God and Jesus that lets them intervene in human affairs today. Clearly, at least to me, the Holy Spirit is much less than God the Father and Jesus, occupying the lowest rung on the Trinity, not even being a person or a God but instead just being a force. Yet in the doctrine of the Trinity the Holy Spirit is looked at as equal to God and Jesus.

The idea of Jesus as having two natures, human and divine, has more problems in that according to the Trinitarians Jesus wasn't created by God but existed from the beginning of creation. Yet, he is supposed to have the nature of humans, who were created by God after the beginning of time.

What makes more sense to me is the Arian heresy and the Monophysite doctrine. Arian in this case doesn't refer to "Aryan" but to a Bishop named Arius.

He had a doctrine that went away from the Trinity and towards divinity being organized into a sort of functional grouping, where the Son was created by God the Father, then brought into being, and the Holy Spirit was created by God the Father and then appointed as subservient to Jesus. Jesus existed before being incarnated as the being who created the world. "Jesus" then, was not the Jesus of humanistic interpretations, who focus on Jesus' actions and character as a spirit or deity in human form but a cosmic principle that transcended humanity. There were three types of beings, and Jesus as incarnated was divinity taking on human form but not having human nature as part of his nature. That's the Monophysite part.

*on edit: it might sound foreign to people living in a Protestant society to refer to Jesus as a creator of the world, but it's there in the Gospels, particularly the Gospel of John where Jesus is referred to as the Logos or Word of God. Here's the Gospel of John, Verse 1-5 and Verse 14

"The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.

3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4 In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
5 The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[a] it.

....

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

Clearly he's saying that in the beginning was Jesus as Word or Logos and that he dwelled with God and that God operated through him to create all things.

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